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Oragamal

Try discussing things as they happen.

Everything that's happening is boring though pff

12:48 AM

I think i'll just google some conversation topics

There are?? Are they in this server

@Kei Wendt - jump no not on this one but i've seen on others

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if theres nothing to talk about we just kinda hang out sometimes

8:37 AM

sometimes something pops up in our mind to talk about after that

8:38 AM

life is just boring sometimes

Fair enough

Tulpa Train has a tulpa activities channel: https://discord.gg/szbacBUb

Uhhh why the advertising of another server...?

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Kei 🍄 ↩️

Reply to: Anybody have any ideas for conversation topics with tulpas?

7:43 PM

Besides, Tulpa Train is already advertised on #server-hub

I see

Anybody here?

I am

I'm not doing well with tulpamancy. I have bad parrotnia and doubt I'll ever have a real tulpa. Any advice for a noob like me?

4:49 PM

Nexo started answering the second I asked a question. So that makes me think I'm just parroting.

That happened to me too I don't think you're parroting

you can only intentionally parrot

4:51 PM

if you aren’t trying to, you aren’t

4:51 PM

that simple!

^^

It doesn't feel real. He just says expected things.

if you are so focused on parroting then you are going to ignore things your tulpa is trying to say and really impede growth. A tulpa will sound similar to you and may not always be consistent when they are young

Deleted User

It doesn't feel real. He just says expected things.

You probably expect it because you guys share a brain It's normal for them to feel similar to you

thats normal, they don’t know who they are yet, that takes time. Tulpamancy is very literally ‘fake it til you make it’

How long will it take for Nexo to feel real? (edited)

responses are responses, you shouldn’t look deeper into it. Uniqueness comes with time

4:55 PM

if they are responding to you they are already real! It just takes time for them to develop, that’s normal and you are going on the right path. Things won’t be instant, it’s a process.

Can I speed up the process somehow?

I'd just say, the more you work on it, the more progress you make.

Expected responses are just the most simple form of a tulpa like response you can get. You build up from there and slowly stack on their ability and complexity. There will never be a point where you're like "oh my God they're real now" it'll be like "oh hey, you commented on something random, that's never happened before" "Wow, that was two full sentences"

Preventing yourself from doubting them will speed it up, IMO, but there's no "hack" to make it go faster without fail.

just spend more time with them. This isn’t a fast process sadly. But like Owen said, being all worried about parroting and not processing fast enough will only slow you down. Don’t think of it as one goal and then you are finished. This is something that goes on forever as long as you are practicing tulpamancy. They will always need you’re attention and will always be developing further and further.

I have issues with forcing. See, I have a mild form of aphantasia and have issues with the wonderland. Furthermore, my mind is so messy I can barely talk/hear (to) him clearly

you don’t need visualization to force! We don’t use it even though we can visualize quite well. We view all visualization as something extra, just for fun. No need to focus on it if you want to just develop a tulpa

Also, I'm so unfocused, I have issues dedicating time to ONLY him

5:01 PM

So if I can't really talk to him, not really go into the wonderland and don't really have fun as a result of that, how am I gonna care for him?

You can just narrate stuff you do IRL, it can literally be about anything as long as you're talking to him.

5:02 PM

A tulpa isn't a baby. You don't need to feed it or change its nappy or something. I don't know how much "care" you'd reasonably need to do.

5:03 PM

As long as you're talking to him consistently about something, you'll probably be fine without needing to "care" for him.

active forcing when they aren’t really responding back is really hard! Try more passive forcing until they respond back more consistently. Just talk about your day and the things you are doing currently. A good way to think about it is like your a vlogger making a video if you’ve ever watched one of those

Thanks so much for your advice! I'll do that

5:04 PM

I heard you should ask them questions as well.

It helps, but you don't need to stress yourself out with anything specific. As long as you're asking them something that they can respond to, it's progress.

Okay!

obvious or short answers arent bad anyways, maybe it helps to think about it from the perspective that regular meat people dont tend to reply with 3 paragraphs worth of speech to some simple question

5:18 PM

it only took us just a few days to talk complete conversations out loud to each other and there were already distinct differences between us

they can also respond with feelings instead of words.

5:19 PM

for example if you ask them something like ‘do you like this?’ You could feel a happy or sad emotion from them to say yes or no

yeah whenever one of us says or thinks something dumb or funny its just a smile since theres nothing to add but just a sign of being amused

5:20 PM

the emotions popping up kinda got me disoriented when i started so thats something that can surprise you

5:21 PM

but you get used to it in a week or two if not in a day

So if I can't really talk to him, not really go into the wonderland and don't really have fun as a result of that, how am I gonna care for him?

@Deleted User - jump just to expand on this, we're usually pretty durable people. I was shoved away to the point of unconsciousness for about 2 years because neither of us really understood what I was and I turned out ~~arguably~~ fine in the end. as long as you're well intentioned and at least try to communicate, I think those are all skills you both will develop together sooner than later

That's reassuring.

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It doesn't feel real. He just says expected things.

I think it's better to focus on if a response makes sense moreso than if it sounds like you or not. For example, saying, "how are you?" to the question "hello" makes sense in context. It doesn't really matter how independent they are, saying answers that make sense just er... makes sense. Also keep in mind your tulpa may not have many opinions of their own yet. A question like, "what's your favorite color?" may end up with a random response, silence, or "I don't know" simply because they don't know yet. It may be more effective to show them different colors and see how they react instead. This can be applied to other ice breaker questions too (edited)

I remember reading somewhere that tulpas can create thoughtforms. Does that mean a tulpa could puppet/parrot another tulpa

yeh a tulpa can totally make a tulpa ^w^

a tulpa can do anything that you can!

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Ale𝕏andra 🍄🐈

yeh a tulpa can totally make a tulpa ^w^

I meant could they puppet an already sentient tulpa

Zee

I meant could they puppet an already sentient tulpa

what does it really mean to 'puppet' a tulpa?

There is nothing stopping a tulpa from making a tulpa. However, a tulpa cannot do so without the rest of the system being also aware of it. They can’t just multiply on their own

Ale𝕏andra 🍄🐈

what does it really mean to 'puppet' a tulpa?

Basically the same thing as parroting but with visualization

2:31 AM

Controlling a tulpa’s form in a headspace

mhm exactly

2:31 AM

hosts can do that, and so can tulpas

2:32 AM

important point: a tulpa's form is not the tulpa

People put way too much importance on stupid forms

kinda makes sense tho, forms are cool

Oh no, you imagined your tulpa dying…. That does absolutely nothing to them

2:34 AM

They are, you should think of a form, but like it ain’t that serious

Hi people! So, uhh, story time? I've known about tulpas/Tulpamancy since 2014 (when I was 11 years old), and ever since then, it has been practically a dream to have one. Back then, I read about it but didn't invest in it since I was too young. When I was 14/15, I came across it again and got really excited about the idea of having a tulpa, but I never really got through to the end of the process. This continues pretty much until today. A little context: i have a certain level of ADHD, mainly on the hyperfocus part. i tend to get extremely focused and excited about it for about a month or so, but then i see very little progress, get frustrated and my mind starts focusing on other things, leaving the topic of tulpa on the back burner. Months go by, and then I find myself reading about tulpas again, getting excited about it, like “this time i can do it”, and the cycle repeats itself. I'm turning 21 this year, and I'm still in this situation. I feel terrible, as if I'm doing something extremely wrong or maybe it's impossible for me. It's almost ironic that the thing I want the most is the thing I seem to make the least progress with. I never imagined that I would be writing about this someday in my life, but I genuinely feel lost and hopeless. I've read countless guides, but maybe I'm always missing something? Perhaps there's an important point I'm overlooking? Or maybe I should just accept that i suck at this and give up? If anyone has anything important to point out or any suggestions to try, I would be very grateful to hear them. I feel like a failure for not achieving something that seems so easy and practical for others. :c

perhaps the task seems too daunting?

3:30 AM

also, if you say you can’t keep your focus for long enough like how you describe, are you sure it’s a good idea for you to be making a tulpa?

@Okammi

I’m sure I can help, But I would like to hear what you think about what I said But it’s also late now and it’s best if I go to bed soon So, when you respond, please ping @Oragamal and k will probably be back in maybe 8-10 hours after this message.

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Skyler 🐉

perhaps the task seems too daunting?

yeah, maybe it really is

Luminesce: If you have to make progress fast, then you need to drop any doubt about your tulpa not being independent & sentient, really there and wanting to speak/respond to you. (edited)

looks like I haven’t managed to put my phone down before you came back

3:44 AM

so I’ll be able to respond

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Luminesce: You have to fully believe they're there and wanting to talk/interact, and then not doubt any thoughts/feelings that could reasonably be them (though if it seems like something they wouldn't say, you should believe that it was not them, to help shape the brain's expectations) (edited)

Skyler 🐉

also, if you say you can’t keep your focus for long enough like how you describe, are you sure it’s a good idea for you to be making a tulpa?

Idk :c. it's just something i've thought about for a long time and i've really always wanted… a company for life, it's something really valuable

perhaps you can shrink what you think is required to make a tulpa?

Luminesce: People can normally go a bit slower with a little skepticism and still develop a tulpa eventually, but if you get unmotivated within a month or so, you'll have to do what I just said. (edited)

if you were to make a to-do creation plan thing, What do you think is everything you have to do

Reisen

Luminesce: You have to fully believe they're there and wanting to talk/interact, and then not doubt any thoughts/feelings that could reasonably be them (though if it seems like something they wouldn't say, you should believe that it was not them, to help shape the brain's expectations) (edited)

I see… Sometimes i hear a little voice in the back of my mind, but i'm not sure if it's him? It just seems like me answering my own questions, usually I don't even complete the sentence and a short and quick answer comes

all common things.

3:49 AM

assume it’s him Also, he can already see the thought even if you don’t finish saying the whole sentence yet.

Okammi

I see… Sometimes i hear a little voice in the back of my mind, but i'm not sure if it's him? It just seems like me answering my own questions, usually I don't even complete the sentence and a short and quick answer comes

Luminesce: Intent for thoughts to be your tulpa/someone else in your head and really believing that is what causes your brain to start shaping that experience. If you doubt constantly, you're just telling your brain "Nope, no one here but me" (edited)

3:53 AM

Tulpas start to sound and feel more separate from you over time until it's impossible to mistake them for yourself anymore.

Skyler 🐉

if you were to make a to-do creation plan thing, What do you think is everything you have to do

Hm… I think the most necessary thing is give them attention? but I'm also not sure how well to do this too. I think the key would be to create a base for the personality/form and just talk to him everyday…although active forcing it while not having answers is kinda boring- I'm also not sure if it's better to active or passive forcing

Luminesce: Since you want to be fast about it, dropping the doubt entirely (aside from intentional shaping of what your tulpa would/wouldn't say by denying invasive thoughts) is necessary (edited)

3:53 AM

Because if you constantly stop after a few weeks and try again way later you'll probably never make enough progress to really get the process going.

you can simplify it further. Toss out the term “forcing” and just interact with them however y’all want or think seems fit.

3:54 AM

forget about active and passive forcing and just be with them and do stuff

3:54 AM

and believe in them

3:54 AM

if something might be them, assume it’s them.

3:55 AM

calling interaction forcing can turn it into a chore. Just have fun with it!

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Reisen

Luminesce: Since you want to be fast about it, dropping the doubt entirely (aside from intentional shaping of what your tulpa would/wouldn't say by denying invasive thoughts) is necessary (edited)

besides being a bit skeptical about it, maybe unconsciously I have a certain fear of actually having someone else in my head? of actually having an answer and becoming real. I've always been the “scared” type of person and sometimes I think this can get in the way of the process… but I don't know what to do, it's not something I consciously do @~@

Skyler 🐉

calling interaction forcing can turn it into a chore. Just have fun with it!

It's a really good advice, i'll try to put it into practice.

one of the easiest ways to do it we've found is to just sit down, and just think of how you would explain a concept to someone speaking out loud. i cant tell you how many times ive had DHCP explained to me while i wasnt real active because taylor is a massive computer nerd and it was just something she felt like saying